Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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Does This Mean JWs No Longer Point the Finger at Child Sexual Abuse in Other Religions?

by steve2 in

those who still attend meetings will be better placed to answer this question.

since the conti case - but likely some years before it became more widely known in ex-jw circles and beyond - there appear to have been no watchtower or awake news snippets on child sex abuse in the churches of christendom.

also, do rank and file still talk to householders about the churches of christendom's cover-ups of such abuse?.

Ultimate Axiom

Well this appeared in the Watchtower May 1, 2012, page 16, in a subsection called, "Is all religion good?"

"Many religious groups include sincere people who want to please God. ... Sadly, though, some people have used religion for evil purposes. ... Today, according to news reports, some religious leaders have ... been involved in child abuse. ... The Bible teaches that there are two types of religion—true religion and false religion. False religion does not teach the truth about God. ... Soon, God will bring a sudden end to religion that deceives and oppresses mankind."

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Placement of KH

by rebelfighter in

from reading my previous post many of you know i am a worldly person and have been a life long child advocate.

my heart goes out to the jw children and women.

these last 5 months education here and jwfacts, jwstruggles, has been very enlightening.

Ultimate Axiom

I doubt you would have much to fear from JW paedophiles. They tend to target the kids of other Dubs, as access is so much easier, and because of the Witnesses phobia of bad publicity, they know there is very little chance they will be exposed (not to mention the two witness rule).

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

Ultimate Axiom

“Being in a good mood that particular day, I told them that if they could prove that god existed, I’d become a Jovie - and I meant every word”.

Really??? You actually meant every word??? If anyone could prove to me that god existed, JWs would the among the last religions on earth I would join.

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Christianity: The most deceptive religion

by opusdei1972 in

jesus was a jew who apparently thought he was the messiah, however, after dying, his disciples began to propagate the lie that he would return from heaven during his generation.

but, his generation passed away, and it was clear that it was a false prophecy, then a dishonest christian wrote the second letter of peter so as to condemn those who realised that the prophecy was a fiasco.

interestingly, and sadly, this religion survived,....why????

Ultimate Axiom

Yes, it is a pity that Christianity survived. It's an even greater pity that Islam did too. And were it not for Judah Maccabeus we would have been spared the whole lot.

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BIBLE QUESTIONS ANSWERED - Luke 14:28

by Esse quam videri in

answer: by governing body of jws no!

answer: governing body of jws

Ultimate Axiom

"This cry for money is to cultivate funds for the new UK branch intended to be built. a good possibility."

Finkelstein - I doubt they would need additional finds for that - I would have thought that the sale of their prime North London property should more than pay for their relocation. Of course it could still be used by them to claim that the need more money.

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607 article on JW website

by Pubsinger in

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736.

i've not bothered to read anything on this for years as i addressed it personally years ago.

but in this official article they appear to be focusing all their argument on the '70 years' part of the debate.

Ultimate Axiom

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but the debate over 606/7 BCE and 587 BCE is not new. In 1904 Russell received the following letter, which was published in the October 1 Watchtower on page 296 (Reprint page 3436).

“Dear Sir, since you have changed your views respecting Gentile Times let me suggest the possibility of still another error. You count the seventy years Babylonian captivity of the Jews as beginning with the overthrow of Zedekiah, Judah’s last king, but I notice that “Bishop Usher’s Chronology,” given in the margins of our Common Version Bibles and based on “Ptolemy’s Canon,” begins that seventy-year period nineteen years earlier-namely, in the first year of Nebuchadnezzar, when he took captive Daniel and other prominent Jews and laid the Jews’ country under tribute. Now if this, the common reckoning, be correct, it would make the Times of the Gentiles to begin nineteen years later than you estimate, namely, in B. C. 587, instead of B. C. 606; and this in turn would make those times end nineteen years later than you have reckoned - in October, A. D. 1933, instead of October, 1914. What do you say to this? Are you humble enough to acknowledge that I have struck some new light, and that you and all DAWN readers have been “all wrong,” walking in darkness?”

Russell’s reply was;

“We reply that there are too many ifs in the proposition, and that they are all abundantly contradicted by facts and Scripture and are therefore not worthy [of] the slightest consideration. (1) The brother errs in supposing that we have changed our view of “Gentile Times.” Those “times” or years are 2520, with a definite beginning in B. C. 606, and a definite ending, A. D. 1914. We know of no reason for changing a figure: to do so would spoil the harmonies and parallels so conspicuous between the Jewish and Gospel ages.”

So the reason Russell stuck with 606 BCE was because, to do otherwise, would “spoil the harmonies and parallels between the Jewish and Gospel ages”. Harmonies that the Watchtower has long since discarded. So right from the start, 606/7 BCE was chosen because it supported Watchtower doctrine, the facts relating to the year have always been irrelevant.

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Questions that were never answered for me

by WasOnceBlind in

i have always been a very rational and thoughtful person.

there where always questions i had growing up regarding things i was taught.

of course asking questions while being a jw is a big no no!

Ultimate Axiom

If god is love, why does he allow so much suffering? From what I remember their main answer was that it started in Eden when Satan challenged Gods right to rule. However, I refuse to believe that a God of Love would let billions thru history suffer and die just to prove a point!

Ask any believer if God is fallible, can make mistakes, or be in the wrong, they will say no. Why not? Because He wouldn't be God otherwise. In other words, it's self-evidently true, an axiom. But if that is the case then He doesn't need to prove anything. All He needed to say was, 'Satan, you're wrong, end off.' The fact that He felt the need to prove himself is in itself an error, for axioms do not need proving, therefore He can make mistakes. The logic of the JW explanation for suffering introduced this paradox, mind you, other explanations are no better.

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Watchtower June 15 2015, Misleading Reference to Past Statement...

by BluesBrother in

if this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .

they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.

live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.

Ultimate Axiom

There are dozens of examples this, and a lot of them have been collected together in this book if you’re interested.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Always-Nigh-prophecies-Watchtower-ebook/dp/B00P84TZTK/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1428589404&sr=8-13&keywords=the+end+is+nigh

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Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

by B4Right in

how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

Ultimate Axiom

How do you convince a JW that every decision that comes from the Governing Body is not from God?

Get them to acknowledge that Jehovah IS infallible and then quote them from the FDS itself;

Watchtower of March 1, 1979 page 23, “The ‘faithful and discreet slave’ has alerted all of God’s people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God’s Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this ‘faithful and discreet slave’ was never inspired, never perfect.”

or

Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 1993, page 626, “Jehovah’s Witnesses … recognize the Watchtower magazine and kindred publications to be the ones used by the faithful and discreet slave to dispense spiritual food. They do not claim that this slave class is infallible…”

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A Subtle Factor That Keeps Witnesses Silenced

by freemindfade in

had an interesting thought this morning.

when a witness is 'in' they think everyone else is following and trying there best all in unity.

i believe the reality is there are a lot of us 'in' who know different.

Ultimate Axiom

I agree with HB, I’m not so sure that the GB is really that aware of what people are thinking at grass roots. And having been out for 35 years I have no idea either. But the only congregation I have any connection with now is that of my sister, and those that I know there all seem fully “in”. Unless of course, they are putting on a very good act at covering their unbelief.